{"id":"guest:281","sourceProfileId":274,"slug":"dave-sanderson","name":"Dave Sanderson","headline":"He Was the Last Person Off the Plane That Crashed Into the Hudson — Then He Got Back on a Plane the Next Morning","bio":"Dave Sanderson is a crisis leadership expert and keynote speaker who gained international recognition as the last passenger off US Airways Flight 1549, famously known as the \"Miracle on the Hudson.\" After changing to an earlier flight on January 15, 2009, Sanderson found himself in freezing Hudson River water helping fellow passengers evacuate the sinking aircraft, staying inside for approximately seven minutes to ensure others made it to safety.\n\nWith over a decade of experience as head of security for renowned life strategist Tony Robbins, Sanderson brought a unique mindset to the crisis that emphasized response over reaction. His background in state management and decision-making frameworks proved crucial during those life-altering moments. Rather than succumbing to trauma, Sanderson transformed his experience into a mission of service and gratitude.\n\nSanderson has become a leading voice in post-traumatic growth, teaching the distinction between those who grow through trauma versus those who become stuck in it. His \"1549 Decision Framework\" helps individuals and organizations make critical decisions under extreme pressure. He authored the book \"Moments Matter\" and delivered a widely-viewed TEDx Talk on post-traumatic growth.\n\nDriven by a simple Red Cross blanket he received after the rescue, Sanderson has raised over $14.8 million for the American Red Cross. He continues to speak globally about crisis leadership, resilience, and the power of process-driven thinking. The next morning after the crash, despite having his underwear frozen to his skin and requiring five hours to restore his body temperature, Sanderson got back on an airplane, demonstrating the principles he now teaches about facing fears and moving forward through adversity.","originalBio":"Dave Sanderson is a crisis leadership expert and keynote speaker who gained international recognition as the last passenger off US Airways Flight 1549, famously known as the \"Miracle on the Hudson.\" After changing to an earlier flight on January 15, 2009, Sanderson found himself in freezing Hudson River water helping fellow passengers evacuate the sinking aircraft, staying inside for approximately seven minutes to ensure others made it to safety.\n\nWith over a decade of experience as head of security for renowned life strategist Tony Robbins, Sanderson brought a unique mindset to the crisis that emphasized response over reaction. His background in state management and decision-making frameworks proved crucial during those life-altering moments. Rather than succumbing to trauma, Sanderson transformed his experience into a mission of service and gratitude.\n\nSanderson has become a leading voice in post-traumatic growth, teaching the distinction between those who grow through trauma versus those who become stuck in it. His \"1549 Decision Framework\" helps individuals and organizations make critical decisions under extreme pressure. He authored the book \"Moments Matter\" and delivered a widely-viewed TEDx Talk on post-traumatic growth.\n\nDriven by a simple Red Cross blanket he received after the rescue, Sanderson has raised over $14.8 million for the American Red Cross. He continues to speak globally about crisis leadership, resilience, and the power of process-driven thinking. The next morning after the crash, despite having his underwear frozen to his skin and requiring five hours to restore his body temperature, Sanderson got back on an airplane, demonstrating the principles he now teaches about facing fears and moving forward through adversity.","portrait":"https://pub-176ab0b7668b46259a6c72d4ad146d40.r2.dev/twin-portraits/1778900683808-83b0aa96eb2b-dave-sanderson-twin-1778900683807.jpg","originalHeadshot":"https://app.conversationos.live/api/public/guest-photo/dave-sanderson.jpg","topics":["Center Stage","Crisis Leadership","Post-Traumatic Growth","Decision Making Under Pressure","Process-Driven Thinking","Servant Leadership","Resilience Training","Fear Management","Organizational Crisis Response","Mental State Management","Meaning and Purpose Development"],"expertise":[],"product":"center-stage","socialLinks":{"linkedin":"https://www.linkedin.com/in/hiredavesanderson/","youtube":"https://www.youtube.com/@DaveSandersonKeynoteSpeaker","website":"https://davesandersonspeaks.com"},"sameAs":["https://www.linkedin.com/in/hiredavesanderson/","https://www.youtube.com/@DaveSandersonKeynoteSpeaker","https://davesandersonspeaks.com"],"appearances":[{"showName":"Mornings in the Lab","segment":"Center Stage","date":"2026-05-12","sourceUrl":"","videoId":null}],"primaryVideoId":"W-PIwPdyra0","primaryTitle":"","episodeNumber":"","authoritySegment":"","clips":[{"videoId":"vieWuP0xWIU","title":"TRAGEDY OR BLESSING","quote":"","description":"","thumbnail":"https://pub-176ab0b7668b46259a6c72d4ad146d40.r2.dev/short-thumbs/1778936254968-90d0a2e99bb4-dave-sanderson-short-1-e5da7a50.png"},{"videoId":"Q9xMOn-AX6Q","title":"NO TIME TO BE SCARED","quote":"","description":"","thumbnail":"https://pub-176ab0b7668b46259a6c72d4ad146d40.r2.dev/short-thumbs/1778936272220-1793076d9838-dave-sanderson-short-2-425f05cb.png"}],"insights":[{"eyebrow":"DECISION UNDER PRESSURE","quote":"At that point, you don't have time to be scared. You got to start thinking about what's my next play. I talk about all the time, what's my best next move? That's what I was thinking about. So, you know, I I I I had to figure out, hey, if we survive, what am I going to do?","context":"Sanderson describes his immediate mental response when Flight 1549 hit the birds, demonstrating how trained decision-makers shift from emotion to action planning even in life-threatening situations.","topic":"Crisis Decision Making","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"MEANING DETERMINES EMOTION","quote":"The strategies that I used to grow out instead of going through a depression. And the first thing I had to do is of course change my state, the way I move and my body, but the second thing was the meaning that I attached to it. A lot of people's meaning is our tragedy is devastation. My meaning was it was a blessing.","context":"This insight reveals Sanderson's approach to post-traumatic growth, showing how the meaning we assign to traumatic events directly influences our emotional response and recovery trajectory.","topic":"Post-Traumatic Growth","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"PROCESS SAVES LIVES","quote":"If you don't have a process for your health, you're going to get sick. You don't have a process for your money, you're going broke. You don't have a process for your relationships relationships, you break up. So, I I I'm in alignment with exactly what you said. You better have processes throughout your life and every part of your life.","context":"Sanderson emphasizes how systematic thinking and established processes prepare individuals for crisis moments, drawing from his years with Tony Robbins and business experience.","topic":"Crisis Preparedness","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"SERVANT LEADERSHIP","quote":"I grew up in a place where everybody took care of everybody. You know, it's a small town outside Cincinnati, where my mindset was, you know, I I I survived. Does anybody else need help? And that's when I climbed to the back of the plane to see if anybody needed help.","context":"This quote illustrates Sanderson's core leadership philosophy and explains why he became the last passenger off the plane, prioritizing others' safety over his own immediate escape.","topic":"Leadership Philosophy","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"FACING FEARS HEAD-ON","quote":"I wanted to raise visibility and money. But the second thing was really for my kids, to show them how to face your fears. You have to get back. You have to do it. And I wanted to show my kids is that, you know, listen, we're all going to go through stuff in our lives, right? No life is ever going to get through to see the sunshine. But you got to step up and face it.","context":"Sanderson explains his decision to swim with Navy SEALs in the Hudson River, demonstrating how leaders use their own fear-facing as a teaching moment for others.","topic":"Courage and Fear","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"GRATITUDE IN ACTION","quote":"Someone's there when you with you and for you when all steps breaking loose in your life. And so I wanted to give back some way, somehow give back. So I was the first time I did it was in Charlotte. I helped them raise $120,000 here in Charlotte.","context":"The Red Cross blanket became a symbol of care during crisis, inspiring Sanderson's massive fundraising efforts that have now reached $14.8 million for disaster relief.","topic":"Service and Gratitude","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"DIVINE PURPOSE","quote":"I wasn't supposed to be on that plane. I was scheduled on a 5:00 flight, right? All of a sudden you have the right captain and the right seat at the right time. Yes. There's too many things that have to have had to happen sequentially to make that thing happen.","context":"Sanderson reflects on the series of events that placed him on Flight 1549, including giving up a first-class seat, suggesting a larger purpose behind the experience.","topic":"Faith and Purpose","timestamp":null},{"eyebrow":"NEXT GENERATION CONCERNS","quote":"What worries me is where how my kids' mindsets are going into this world right now cuz they're going through crap that I never had to go through. I mean, I grew up in the '70s, right? Where Vietnam War was the big thing, gas shortages were a big thing. Yes. And now these kids are going through all this other stuff. At least I had parents and grew up in a time where you had to face stuff. These kids have never had to face it.","context":"Despite surviving a plane crash, Sanderson's greatest concern is how younger generations will develop resilience without experiencing the character-building challenges of previous eras.","topic":"Generational Leadership","timestamp":null}],"quotes":["At that point, you don't have time to be scared. You got to start thinking about what's my next play.","A lot of people's meaning is our tragedy is devastation. My meaning was it was a blessing.","If you don't have a process for your health, you're going to get sick. You don't have a process for your money, you're going broke.","You have to get back. You have to do it. We're all going to go through stuff in our lives, but you got to step up and face it.","Someone's there when you with you and for you when all steps breaking loose in your life."],"faqs":[{"question":"What is the difference between post-traumatic stress and post-traumatic growth?","answer":"Post-traumatic growth focuses on how people can actually become stronger and more resilient after traumatic experiences, rather than just recovering from them. The key difference lies in the meaning you attach to the trauma - viewing it as a blessing and opportunity for service rather than devastation. It requires changing your physical state and consciously choosing empowering meanings that create positive emotions and forward momentum."},{"question":"How do you make effective decisions under extreme pressure?","answer":"The key is shifting from reaction to response by immediately asking 'what's my best next move?' rather than getting overwhelmed by fear. Having established processes and mental frameworks before crisis hits is crucial. During Flight 1549, I focused on planning for survival scenarios while the situation was still unfolding, which allowed me to act decisively when we hit the water."},{"question":"Why is process-driven thinking essential for crisis leadership?","answer":"Processes save lives because they provide structure when everything else is chaotic. If you don't have processes for your health, finances, and relationships during normal times, you'll fail in those areas during crisis. Having systematic approaches to different life areas means you're mentally prepared to handle unexpected situations with the same disciplined thinking you use daily."},{"question":"How can leaders develop the courage to face their fears?","answer":"You have to actively choose to face your fears to model the behavior for others. After surviving the Hudson crash, I went back to swim in the same water with Navy SEALs - partly to raise money for military suicide prevention, but mainly to show my kids how to confront what scares you. True leadership means stepping up and demonstrating that everyone goes through difficult times, but you must face them head-on."},{"question":"What role does gratitude play in crisis recovery and leadership?","answer":"Gratitude transforms victims into servants. A simple Red Cross blanket given to me after the crash became the symbol for someone being there when everything was falling apart. That single act of care inspired me to raise over $14.8 million for disaster relief. When you focus on how you can serve others who helped you, it shifts your entire perspective from what happened to you to what you can do for others."},{"question":"How do you prepare the next generation for challenges they've never faced?","answer":"This is actually my biggest concern today. Previous generations grew up with challenges that built character and resilience, but many young people haven't had to face real adversity. The key is creating opportunities for them to develop mental toughness and teaching them systematic approaches to handling pressure. We need to prepare them with the mindset tools and processes they'll need when life inevitably tests them."}],"transcript":"Most people don't get a warning before\nlife changes. One normal day becomes the\nday everything splits in half. Maybe it\nwas a phone call. Maybe it was a\nhospital room. Maybe it was the moment\nyour plan disappeared. That's when you\nfind out what you actually do under\npressure, not what you hope you'd do.\nDave Sanderson had that [music] moment\nafter changing to an earlier flight\nbecause work finished sooner than\nexpected. He boarded US Airways flight\n1549\nas a business traveler trying to get\nhome. Then the plane hit the Hudson and\nthe cabin [music] started filling with\nfreezing water. At the exit, Dave heard\nhis late mother's voice. She told him to\ndo the right thing. So, he stayed\ninside. He helped others move forward\nwhile the aircraft kept sinking around\nhim. Dave stood in that [music] water\nfor about 7 minutes becoming the last\npassenger off what became the miracle on\nthe Hudson. His body started giving\n[music] out. Then he heard his mother\nagain refusing to let him quit. At the\nhospital, his underwear had frozen to\nhis skin. Doctors spent hours bringing\nhis body temperature back. And the next\nmorning, he got on another plane. Not\nsomeday, not when it felt safe. The next\nmorning. One Red Cross blanket stayed\nwith him. That one act of care became a\n14.8 million dollar mission of\ngratitude. Today, Dave teaches\npost-traumatic growth, the 1549 [music]\ndecision framework, and how people make\ndecisions when pressure is highest.\nDave, welcome to the lab. We're grateful\nyou're here and we're ready to hear what\nthat day really taught you.\nJohnny Johnny, today's guest survived\nthe miracle on the Hudson and it clearly\nsounds like he's survived his balls\nbeing iced for a long time. Coming up,\nDave Sanderson is welcome to the lab\nwith Keith and John. Good morning, Dave.\nHey, man. Hey, I I love the Robert Plant\nstuff, man. It brought me back to my my\nyouth. Thank you.\n>> Yes. Where are you joining us from\ntoday, pal? Charlotte, North Carolina\ntoday. Ah, I love Charlotte. Love me a\nCharlotte. I've spent a little bit of\ntime in Charlotte. What a great town.\nWelcome to our show. Excited to be here\nwith you guys. Thank you for having me\ntoday. Yes, so let's get into it, dude.\nYou You survived the plane crash,\nperiod, point blank period. Let's hit\nthat [ __ ] That's it.\nWhat? Like what the hell, man? Honest to\nGod. Yeah. Yeah, I was I mean, you know,\nyou go through something like this, you\nthink you survived the the crash, and\nall of a sudden you got another thing\nyou got to face that's called water\ncoming into the plane. So, I I tell\npeople there was really two different\ndistinct situations going on. Yeah. It's\nall the credit getting it down, but then\nit was a team effort for everybody to\nget out. So, real quick, what what is\nthe\nvery interested I've no idea when I ask\nthis question. If a plane is going to\ncrash,\nright, what are the odds of it getting\nto the point where people can actually\n[ __ ] get out like your situation?\nVery, very low odds. I mean, this is the\nfirst time in history it's happened like\nthis. I mean, you know, the captain gets\nall the credit cuz I mean, his years of\ntraining gliding a plane, no power\nwhatsoever, getting it down. I mean,\nit's it was an amazing feat just to get\nit get it to a Normally, it would have\njust hit the [ __ ] water and\ndisintegrated, everybody would have\ndied. That would have been the norm?\nWell, the norm would have been either\ntipping into New York City or tipping\ninto New Jersey City. And all of a\nsudden, now you have a bigger challenge\nthan than what would happen that day.\nYeah. So, if if someone could get it to\nthe water, the chances go If the pilot,\nexcuse me, can get it to the water, the\nchances go up. You got it right there.\nSo, now now you at least have a shot. At\nleast you have a shot. Okay.\nGot you. So, he just he kept the he kept\nthe game he kept the game playing for\nyou. That's perfect, okay? Right on. So,\nDave, I'm a I'm a big fan of the moment\nbefore the moment. You're on the plane,\nand you're just it's a you you've you've\nflown a gazillion times in your entire\nlife, just routine. You're probably on\nyour BlackBerry or your phone at the\ntime, right? And then and then and then\nand then it strikes the bird.\nYep. Exactly.\n>> What were you doing before it struck the\nbird? And and when it struck the bird,\nwhat what kind of reaction did you have\nin your brain? Great question. I wasn't\npaying attention, man. I was reading a\nmagazine. You know, I thought I knew\neverything on a plane.\n>> Back in the olden days, the magazine. I\nhad a magazine, right? I mean, I had\nmagazines in my briefcase, reading a\nmagazine. Yeah. But when he hit it,\nthat's when I looked up and looked out\nthe window, and that's when I saw fire\ncoming out of\n>> Were you on that side of the window,\nDave, or were you on the other side? I\nwas on the left side, four rows behind\nwhere the where the engine was, so I\nactually saw the smoke and the fire\ncoming out of the engine. Yeah. Did did\nit did the plane, excuse [snorts] me,\ndid the birds hit both sides or just the\none side? Both sides simultaneously.\nThat's Oh, [ __ ] It was a massive flock\nof [ __ ] birds. Yeah. Yeah, I think\nthey pulled out eight out of one and\nfive out of the other, somewhere in that\nin that range. Correct. Wow. Talk about\nTalk about what it feels like to be\nscared. And what I mean by that question\nis not the obvious way that I asked that\nquestion. You follow what I'm saying,\nDave? Because in that moment, you're not\nscared. In that moment, you're wondering\nwhat the [ __ ] is going on, and you're\ntrying to delineate your emotions. Talk\nabout the emotions in that exact moment\nfor me, if you don't mind. It's exactly\ncorrect. I mean, at that point, you\ndon't have time to be scared. You got to\nstart thinking about what's my next\nplay. I talk about all the time, what's\nmy best next move? That's what I was\nthinking about. So, you know, I I I I\nhad to figure out, hey, if we survive,\nwhat am I going to do?\nSo, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So, you\nyou you had the mindset to to ask the\ntwo letters of if? Yep. Most definitely.\nI Cuz I don't know. I mean, I I as I'm a\nbusiness guy, right? I play sports. It's\nlike you always have to plan for the\nfuture. Yes. So, that's my I was my\nthought. And it's like, you know, hey,\nlisten, I don't know if this if this\nguy's going to be able to get it down or\nnot candidly.\nBut, you know, if he doesn't, then,\ncandidly, this game's over anyway. Yeah.\n>> But, if he does, what am I going to do?\nAnd my best next move was my thought it\nwas get to the aisle, get up and get\nout. That's all I could think about. Get\nto the aisle, get up and get out.\nJohnny?\nYeah. No, I mean, at that point, I'm I'm\nto myself, [ __ ]\nYou know, water, you just landed me in\nmy [ __ ] crypt tonight, man. I need a\ncouple extra [ __ ] life jackets, what\nI'm thinking.\nAnd Dave, you know, I I I I've done my\nresearch, I've read I've read a number\nof things about your your your\nsituation. I've read a number of I I\nfollowed the story. I'm I'm a news\njunkie. I followed it. I I I I watched\nit happen. You say consistently, Johnny,\nhe says this consistently, I'm not a\nhero.\nThe real heroes were the first\nresponders. What does a hero mean to\nDave Sanderson?\nYeah, those are the people who show up\nwhen all stuff's breaking loose in your\nlife and give you this give you the\ncertainty to do what you need to do at\nthat moment. But I would argue you were\nin that moment, Dave. I would argue that\nyou were. When you asked those two if\n[clears throat] in your brain you said\nif as a leader, when you asked that let\nwhen you asked that question if, you\ntook into account everybody sitting next\nto you. That's what I hear you say.\nWell, you know, I I was very blessed. I\ngrew up in a place where everybody took\ncare of everybody. You know, it's a\nsmall town outside Cincinnati, where my\nmindset was, you know, I I I survived.\nDoes anybody else need help? And that's\nwhen I climbed to the back of the plane\nto see if anybody needed help. That's\nThat's how it happened. Simple as that,\neh?\n>> I got to turn I just realized I didn't\nturn my ventilation system on. I'm going\nto get an alarm. Give me 10 seconds to\nturn this on.\nWe're hanging with Dave Sanderson this\nmorning, the survivor of the miracle of\nthe Hudson, very, very grateful to have\nDavid with us this morning. Dave, you\nshare a birthday\nwith Captain Sullenberger.\nDude, like you you know, I'm a big fan,\nI know Johnny is as well, of things\nhappen for a reason. The universe,\nthings just seem to happen. When when\nyou when when that moment happened and\nlife started to go on, when did you\nrealize you guys shared a birthday and\nand and and how does that Because you\ncan't write a better story, Dave. Yeah.\nYeah, it was interesting It's very\nThat's one of the interesting things\nthat came out about a year later. We\nwere\na lot of us were up in New York City. We\nwere launching a book,\ncalled Brace for Impact, and all of a\nsudden we're on all these TV. Then\nsomeone said, you know, about his\nbirthday coming up, which was my\nbirthday, which we're 10 years apart.\nSo, it was like it was very very ironic.\nAnd both of our our our signs are\nAquarius. So, water, right? Yeah.\nInteresting. Interesting. Johnny will\nappreciate this, too. So, not only did\nDave crash into the ocean, I'm sorry,\ninto the Hudson. I I think Anderson that\noften when we when we face a fear, we're\nscared to go back. He survives the plane\ncrash,\nbut he chooses not to remain out of the\nwater. He goes back in time to go swim\nwith the Navy SEALs in the Hudson. Dave,\ntalk about that, combating your fears.\nYeah, that's exactly what it was. And it\nwas really it was two different\nmissions, guys. First mission was I\nreally Once I found out that there was a\n22 people commit suicide a day in the\nmilitary, I I was I was blown away. I\nsaid, \"This in the in the United States,\nhow can this be?\" So, I wanted to raise\nvisibility and money. But the second\nthing was really for my kids, to show\nthem how to face your fears. You have to\nget back. You have to do it. And I\nwanted to show my kids is that, you\nknow, listen, we're all going to go\nthrough stuff in our lives, right? No\nlife is ever going to get through to see\nthe sunshine. But you got to step up and\nface it. And that that that situation,\ngoing back into the Hudson, where I\nalmost died, not only showed my kids,\nbut hopefully other people that, you\nknow, if you have the mental state, the\nmindset, [clears throat] you can\naccomplish anything. Yeah. So, did So,\non that level, brother, I mean, when\nthis whole thing, [clears throat] very\ntraumatic,\nbut you also strike me as a guy that\nwould that as you kind of responded the\nway that you did, you you really\nresponded more than reacted. You know,\nyou didn't react and freak out. When\nwhen the whole thing was over, did it\ngive you some sort of like a trauma, or\nwere you What was the next You know, I\nimagine some people were [ __ ] signing\nup for the closest therapist they can\nget their hands on. Yeah, I was There's\na lot of people who needed that therapy,\nand fortunately for us, US Airways\noffered it to all of us, but I didn't\ntake it. I didn't need it. I That's what\nI was going to strike me like it almost\nmakes me wonder why, going back to face\nyour fear, you already whooped your\nfear. Yeah, but you know, it's\nyou may or may not know I had 10 years\nof experience being head of security for\na guy by the name of Tony Robbins. Oh,\nokay.\n>> be able to be with Tony. I got to be\naround with him and his people, but the\nmindset it takes, right?\n>> Yes.\n>> all the state management and all the\nthings he teaches. So, I you know, I was\nI was already in that mode that you\nknow, you know, I was not you you hit it\nperfectly. I it was it was it was more\nit wasn't a reaction, it was a response.\nIt's like, okay, we you know, I faced\nstuff before. What is that why my book\nis called Moments Matter? I I'm very\nfamiliar with that. It framed you for\nthat moment.\n>> I got a lot of I got a lot of Robin's\nseeds planted in my head, so for sure,\nyou know.\nAnd Johnny, you talk about what's your\nslogan? Every good tragedy\nNo, you're close, better though. Don't\nlet a good tragedy go to waste. Because\nyou because if I take that John to Dave\nhere, Dave has a TEDx Talk. And and\nJohnny, it's about post-traumatic\ngrowth. The idea, John, that trauma does\ndoesn't leave scars, but it can be a\nspringboard for acceleration. The same\nthing you talk about Anderson. Most of\nthe world talks about PTSD, Sanderson's\nflipped it. He talks about the\ndifference between people who grow\nthrough trauma or the people who get\nstuck in it. Dave, talk about that\nbecause that's a fine line, man, and\nthat fine line has a lot to do with\nempathy and compassion. Because somebody\nwould say, \"OH, YOU DON'T have any\ncompassion or empathy because you don't\n[ __ ] deal with my tragedy.\" How do\nyou How do you stand on that fine line,\nDave? Yeah, thank you for asking because\nI didn't even know this is really you\nknow, I'm not going on my mind drive. I\nwas interviewed for AARP magazine, and a\nguy basically revealed to me. He said,\n\"Why Why didn't you go through this\nwhile other people did?\" Yeah. So, what\nall I did is really put together in my\nthoughts, and that's what my TED Talk is\nabout. The strategies that I used to\ngrow out instead of going through a\ndepression. And the first thing I had to\ndo is of course change my state, the way\nI move and my body, but the second thing\nwas the meaning that I attached to it. A\nlot of people's meaning is our tragedy\nis devastation. My meaning was it was a\nblessing.\nAnd that meaning as as John may know is\nhe's a Tony Robbins guy is your emotion.\nSo if I can put myself in that meaning\nand that emotion and that's a blessing,\nthen I'm here to serve at a bigger\nlevel. That's how that's the part first\ntwo steps of the strategy to get out of\na traumatic life experience to be able\nto grow from instead of going to a\ndifferent direction.\nYeah, I mean it's [clears throat] it's\nkind of crazy when when you\ndo what when you understand first what\nyou're speaking of and what people do\nand they practice a little bit, it's\npretty crazy how\nyou take to it because it it [ __ ]\nworks number one, but it feels good. And\nwhen I mean I'm a big I'm a I'm a\nfollower of feeling, man. When something\nfeels right to me, I keep chasing that.\nSo I'm a chaser of how I feel.\nAnd you know, this whole thing you're\ndescribing coming from and you know,\ngoodness gracious. I think you would\nhave to think you agree. Tony Robbins\nprobably influenced more people in a\npositive way than any other single\nperson on the planet at this moment.\nWhat do you think? I totally agree. I've\nbeen I've been with Tony around the\nworld several times and I've seen the\nimpact he has and the impact he still\nhas and he's still growing. And that's\nwhy I think people who and I think one\nthing that Tony's always told told me\nyears ago always has wanted. So he wants\nother people to actually do and take\naction on the stuff he teaches. I mean\n99% of people go to the events and get\nhappy and that's great. They go home and\ngo back.\nYes, one of one of my\n>> And go and do something with it. And\nthat's the 1% that actually\n[clears throat] grow\nyou know, from whatever the situation\nthey're in. One of my clients actually,\nyou know, this is a few years back.\n>> [clears throat]\n>> I had totally changed his life and he\nbasically he basically gave me a\npresent, paid for everything. He took me\nto one of Robbins's things over in Fiji,\nthat little group in Fiji. And it was\nlike a week long deal.\nAnd [clears throat] I mean I had\nlistened to him talk a ton on videos,\nbut the the thing that was really\nhammered down hard in person, what\nyou're describing is, \"Look, none of\nthis matters if you go home and do the\nsame [ __ ] you're doing.\" Yes. You know,\nand so, you know, that's that that\nstructure of of, you know, for me it's\nall about systems. I I I keep\n>> Exactly. It's processes. Exactly right.\n>> Yeah, I mean, I got a I got a [ __ ]\nsystem for putting lotion on when I get\nout of the shower, for Christ's sake.\n[laughter]\nI got a system for brushing my teeth,\nyou know.\nYeah. Go ahead, Dave. Please.\n>> well, what I'm I'm I'm glad you went\nthere, John, cuz it's one of the things\nthat I talk about how process saves\nlives.\nIf you don't have a process for your\nhealth, you're going to get sick. You\ndon't have a process for your money,\nyou're going broke. You don't have a\nprocess for your relationships\nrelationships, you break up. So,\nI I I'm in alignment with exactly what\nyou said. You better have processes\nthroughout your life and every part of\nyour life. Or, you know, like Tony talks\nabout that wheel, and you have that one\nchunk in the wheel, and it's not going\nto turn.\nYou better be able to have these\nprocesses laid out, so all I've really\ndone is taken all those years of\nexperience, those moments, put processes\nin my life for all these different\nareas, so when that time hit,\nI've I'm I think I was mentally\nprepared. You're never prepared for a\nplane crash. I really don't think that.\nNo. I think but but when you have to\nface it, it's like, now you're at least\nin the mental state to say, \"You know\nwhat?\nI can handle this, and you know, and\nthis is how we're going to handle it,\nand first thing we're going to do is get\nourselves in the proper state state of\nmind.\"\n>> Keith John and Dave Dave Sanderson,\nsurvivor of the Hudson River crash 1549\nthis morning, hanging out with myself\nJohn Anderson this morning. Mornings\nwith Keith John and Friends. Dave, are\nyou a man of faith?\nI am a man of faith.\nHow did your faith come into question\nwhen that moment happened? An\ninteresting question, cuz the first\ninterview that I did with a magazine was\na gentleman by the name of Rick Warren.\nHe was a minister out in California. And\nin in the article it was called God's\nhands were all over us.\nCuz I really believe [clears throat]\nthat day It about a bigger mission, a\nbigger vision.\nI wasn't supposed to be on that plane. I\nwas scheduled on a 5:00 flight, right?\nAll of a sudden you have the right\ncaptain and the right seat at the right\ntime. Yes. There's too many things that\nhave to have had to happen\nsequentially to make that thing happen.\n>> to be on that plane. You weren't\nsupposed to be Johnny, you weren't\nsupposed to be You weren't supposed to\nbe on that plane. No. No, I gave up a\nfirst class seat at 5:00 for seat 15A, a\nflight 549 on January 15th.\nIt was brother it was supposed to\nhappen. Yep. Yeah. Part of your plan,\nbrother. I think it I think everybody on\nthat plane was on there for a reason and\na purpose. Everybody was on there for a\nreason.\n>> The question is did they did they\nrealize that and have they used that to\ntheir benefit? Uh yeah, I don't question\nor judge anybody. They got to do what\nthey got to do and you know, I I bless\neverybody who got that got out of that\nplane cuz it was a team effort.\nWell, no, yeah, no judgment by any\nmeans. I'm just Do people realize this\nyou know, this actually should have been\na catalyst for them to do something\ngreat? Yeah. Coming up in about 8\nminutes we've got Briana Bass, Johnny\nmyself and Johnny Anderson. Why\nhigh-performing men have the worst sex\nlives? Maybe Dave's going to stick\naround for that one coming up at the top\nof the hour with with Briana Bass.\nJohnny, so Dave has raised $14.8 million\nfor the American Red Cross all because\nAnderson\na volunteer handed him a blanket when he\nreached dry land.\nSo Anderson, talk about that. You get\nthe blanket and you're like, \"Oh, I got\nto go raise some money.\" Yeah, no, I\ndidn't Well, it wasn't exactly like\nthat. Cuz I was frozen, man, and they\nhanded me a blanket. I didn't even put\nthe blanket on. They gave me a blanket,\nbut that became the symbol for me. You\nknow what? Someone's there when you with\nyou and for you when all steps breaking\nloose in your life. And so I\nwanted to give back some way, somehow\ngive back. So I was the first time I did\nit was in Charlotte. I helped them raise\n$120,000 here in Charlotte. And all of a\nsudden that opened up to other you know,\nparts of the Red Cross where I could\nserve. And that way I could give back to\nthem for all those people they serve\nevery single moment of every single day.\nYeah, that's incredible, man. That's\nabsolutely incredible. Johnny.\nI mean, I think it's a\nThis is like a\nI think for everybody listening that's\nthat's and I've already said it. This is\nlike a perfect example of, you know, the\nsometimes the biggest [ __ ] sandwich that\ndoesn't seem like it should have any\npurpose. There's a purpose there. You\njust got to you got to look a little\ndeeper. Well, then Anderson, taking\ntaking what you just said to the next\nlevel.\nSo,\nthat So, it happens to him. Underwear's\nfrozen to his skin. Probably sack and\nballs are just all on his body. So, he's\njust he's he's just all all up in arms.\nAnd get this though, right? So, it takes\nhim 5 hours to bring the body back to\ntemperature. The next morning, Anderson,\nhe doesn't get in a car, doesn't get in\na train, doesn't get in a bus. He get\nback on an airplane. So, so Dave\nSanderson, so the next morning, not even\n24 hours later, you mentally had the\nfortitude to go, \"Okay, I got to get\nback up on the horse again and get going\nagain.\" Yeah, that's pretty much what\nhappened. Yeah, sorry. That's pretty\nmuch what happened. And you know, I I\nwanted to get home and the only way I\ncould get home was on a plane. Yes. So,\nand so fortunately for me that, you\nknow, my person from the US Airways, my\nliaison, Doreen, who I love her. She\ntook great care of me.\nPut me in a situation where I was well I\nwas well protected. I was well\nprotected. You know, the\nflight attendants took care of me. The\ncaptain knew who I was, you know, and so\nbut I have to admit, it was when we hit\nthe 3,000-ft mark\nwhen we were taking off, that's when it\nall rushed back into my body. That's\nwhen Really? Yeah, I mean, that's when,\nyou know, the birds hit, right? 3,000\nft. Well, you could feel that [ __ ]\nliterally when you say rushed back into\nyour body, that's [ __ ] chemistry\ncoming out of your brain just [ __ ]\nlike\nthat must have been like, \"Holy shit.\"\nYep, it was. That that was I tell people\nthat was the moment that really, you\nknow, at that point two things. Number\none,\nI can't believe I survived this thing.\nAnd second, how lucky am I to be able to\ndo this? Be able to get back on a plane\nand being able to you know give go see\nmy family again. So it was a moment of\ngratitude but also like you said John it\nwas a moment of holy crap. I can't\nbelieve what I can't believe what\nhappened yesterday because it happened\nat the same place. And you know with\nhere cuz what how here's the back story.\nThe captain and I had a conversation\nbefore I got on the plane. He said when\nwe hit 3,000 ft I'm going to ring the\nbell so you and I will know where this\nhappened yesterday. Oh. So he knew\nalready. All right. How did you feel\nabout that actually? But how did you\nfeel about him doing that? Like to\nacknowledge that? Was that kind of like\nwhat the [ __ ] you doing that for? Well I\nwasn't even thinking man. I was like\ngive me this seat put my hoodie up like\nthe Unabomber man. I just locked her\ndown right I said get me out of here.\nBut then I heard the ding ding ding. I\nlooked out and I'm like\nthis is exactly where this happened\nyesterday. I'm like whoa. Oh my\ngoodness. That was the moment it rushed\nback into me. That was the exact second.\nSo here's the question brother. So\nI'm going to make a comparison\n>> [clears throat]\n>> to experience that I had that's not even\nclose but it's the closest thing I can\nthink of, right? So when I was touring\nin Japan and when I was wrestling I\nwould be gone sometimes 3 weeks and one\nof the things that was like\nit was like the most amazing [ __ ]\nfeeling\nis walking out that [ __ ] the plane's\nlanded back to San Francisco and I'm\nwalking out to see my [ __ ] family and\nkeep in mind\nI didn't almost die. I was just gone for\n3 [ __ ] weeks. They knew I was coming\nhome [ __ ] safe.\nBut just to see them was like\nI mean it was like oh I I can think\nabout that right now and I can feel the\n[ __ ]\nthe the the chemistry that\noxytocin all the [ __ ] flooding my\nbloodstream and I got this tingly\nfeeling. What the [ __ ] was it like for\nyou when you walked out and you your\nfamily has seen all of this? You're\ngetting back on another [ __ ] plane.\nAnd they in their minds they're thinking\n[ __ ] till he comes walking out I\nalmost don't believe this. What was that\n[ __ ] like to I mean, I'm just pimples\njust [ __ ] asking the question. Well,\nthank thank you for that analogy cuz,\nyou know, fortunately for me that my\nfamily brought them down to the gate and\nbe able so they could actually see me as\nI walked off the plane. And yeah, it was\nvery it was very emotional. I think it\nwas just my third daughter is the one\nwho really probably the most emotional\n[clears throat] cuz she didn't think I\nwas coming back.\nSo, I think that was the moment I think\nit hit everybody that wow, you know,\nwe're we're all not only blessed, but\nman, I can't believe\nwhat we're going through right now,\nright? And but God's God's hands are all\nover us. That's why I named that article\nthat cuz it would He has hands are all\nover us. Well, you know what strikes me\ntoo, gentlemen, is how many and I just\nI'm I'm asking the question as an open\nquestion.\nLike Dave, I wonder how many\nsurvivors out there might have anger at\nyou and the survivors because they've\nlost because they have had fam\nThey've They've had family members that\ndidn't survive a plane crash. Do you\nfollow what I'm saying? So, I wonder how\nmany people out there have this\nthis this this anger or this resentment\nfor like, why did they survive when my\nfamily was taken away? And I'm not\ntrying to make it negative, but you\nfollow what I'm saying?\nListen, I appreciate that question cuz\nfirst interview I did in Canada was for\na for the TV station in Montreal. Yeah.\nIt was shortly after the plane crashed\nin the the Buffalo plane crash and when,\nyou know, the Buffalo plane down to the\nplane.\n>> Yes. Yes. And they asked me the first\nquestion is asked the question, why why\ndo you think you survived and they\ndidn't? Oh. And I was not ready for that\nquestion whatsoever. I thought it was\ngoing to be more of, you know,\nanalytical. And I all I could get out\nwas it wasn't my time. Yeah.\n>> It wasn't my time. And, you know, maybe\nGod had a different plan for your\nfamilies or different in different\npeople. I don't know. I'm not there, but\nI know for this this is a fact this\nwasn't my time because I shouldn't be\n>> [clears throat]\n>> right now. Yeah.\n>> I mean, my body was like you said, 5\nhours it took them to warm my body up. I\nmean, they had to cut my underwear off\nbecause it was frozen to my body. Yeah.\nI mean, there was a lot of things going\non that people really don't know about\nin the back story, right? That you don't\never get out to the public, right?\n>> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Dave, what scares you\ntoday? You You have been through hell.\nWhat scares you today?\nWell, you know, I I don't know if\nanything scares me, but what worries me\nis where how my kids' mindsets are going\ninto this world right now cuz they're\ngoing through crap that I never had to\ngo through.\n>> Yeah. Yeah.\n>> I mean, I grew up in the '70s,\nright? Where Vietnam War was the big\nthing, gas shortages were a big thing.\nYes. And now these kids are going\nthrough all this other stuff. At least I\nhad parents and grew up in a time where\nyou had to face stuff. These kids have\nnever had to face it.\nAnd now they're having to face They\nhaven't had to face COVID, right? How do\nwe go get back community? They have\nblack bear or they don't\n>> Well, that's the thing, you know, it's\nit's like I I told all my kids and I'm\nlike, you know, I prepared you for a\nworld that I was kind of that that that\nI could see was coming. A lot of this\n[ __ ] I couldn't see coming, so I I I\nwish that I had prepared you better for\nsome of this, but [ __ ] it was all new\nto me, too. Spot on, man. Spot on cuz\nyou know, one thing I talk about is how\nI was prepared is my my dad and my mom\ngrew up in the depression. So, I already\nhad that mindset. Well, that's the\nmindset I grew up with, right? And\nyou're exactly right. I wasn't ready for\nhaving all the social media stuff going\n15,000 hours an hour, right? So,\n[clears throat] so I think it's I think\nthat's the biggest thing I worry about\nis my kids and the next generation.\nYeah. Coming up hot, why high-performing\nmen have the worst sex life featuring\nBrandon Bass, myself, and John Anderson\ncoming up in a few moments. We're\nwrapping up with today's guest, Dave\nSanderson, survivor of Flight 1549 over\non the Hudson. Dave, I got I got I got\nmaybe a big last question for you, if I\nmay. Sure.\nAfter 16 years of telling your story,\nyou've relived it on stage non-stop,\nrelived it on shows like myself and\nJohnny non-stop. May- Maybe Maybe this\nis a good one, maybe it's not.\nIs there a part of January 15, 2009 that\nyou have never still told anyone? Uh I\njust shared a little bit and you sort of\nshared a little bit in your intro about\nwhat was really going on the hospital.\nAnd what really doesn't get out a lot is\nyeah, they had to cut my underwear off\nand all that, but what I found out\nlater, you know, when I went back to the\nhospital, we did an event for the\nhospital and thank thank them. And what\nI found out from the nurses, uh, nurse\nBautista is my hero. She's my hero\nbecause she she's the one who stayed\nwith me and took care of me. What I\nfound out, there were a couple times\n>> [clears throat]\n>> during that during that episode that I\nalmost I almost lost it. I was almost\ngone. Wow. I I did not know that cuz you\nknow, you're just going through trying\nto figure out stuff, but I didn't know\nhow close I was two two times. One in\nthe triage center and one in the\nhospital that that could have gone a\ndifferent direction. Really? Because you\nwere so cold? Yeah, so cold. My body was\nso cold. Everything was shutting down. I\nThey told me basically everything south\nof my heart was shutting down. My abs,\neverything. So, next stop up was what?\nMy heart, my lungs.\n>> Yeah, you were you were one step away.\nAnd and Dave, I want to be tactical for\na quick second if I may. And it's and\nI'm it's it's it's an obvious question\nto you, not to me. But is it because you\nguys were like so I know the plane was\nin the water. Was Were you You were\nstanding waist-in-water for such a long\ntime? Is that what it was, Dave? Yeah, I\nwas in I was inside door you know, 10\n10F. Yes. I was waist-deep in 36° water,\ncorrect.\n>> Yeah, for for how long was you guys\nthere? I was in the I was in there 7\nminutes. Everybody else was out except\nfor the captain, of course. The captain\nwas the last person out the plane. Wow.\nJohnny Colson comments free before we\nask for some Colson comments from Dave.\nYou know, I I just think that you the\nposition you've taken on this is exactly\nwhat the world needs, brother. So, good\n[ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank thank God\nI'm honored to be able to do it. And\nthis I think right now the world is so\nmuch disruption going on the world right\nnow with AI and everything else. I think\nwhat thing that we can do right now is,\nyou know, leaders is get people\ncertainty in an uncertain time. So, if I\ncan give people certainty through my\nstory and other things I've\n[clears throat] learned,\nwe can do some good.\nAnd you, brother, you were you were\nprepped [clears throat] for this, you\nknow, you were involved with the right\npeople to put you in the right mindset\nto respond rather than to react and then\ncarry this and show everyone I mean it\nwas you could see everything aligned.\nYou were see it was supposed to be you.\nWell, John, that's you hit you perfectly\nand going back to our Tony Robbins days,\none of the things first things he\nteaches all of us is proximity is power.\nI would tell people put yourself around\npeople who've actually done something.\nYou know, instead of who actually have\naccomplished something cuz they can take\nyou in a whole different direction.\nThat's why I'm doing what I'm doing now\nwith my new company and with our new\nbrand. This is what you're doing right\nnow in this show right here. You're\ntrying to take people to a place where\nthey may never have have thought to go.\nGet proximity to these people and watch\nwhat happens. Your life will take off.\nToday was a 30-minute lesson in\nleadership because it started with two\nletters if.\nAnd if you guys go back to the start of\nthe conversation, as Dave was going\nthrough a situation with the plane was\ncrashing, he wasn't calling people, he\nwasn't thinking about dying, he was\nasking if. And as a leader, guys, that's\nthe biggest question you can ask\nyourself, if this, if that, because one\nof two things are\n>> change that. I want to change that two\nletters to four.\nGo with it. When. Oh, I like that too,\nJohnny. If when. Awesome.\n>> if is a question, when it's it's not a\nquestion of if, it's a question of when.\nLove that. Love that.\n>> Yeah, that's that's exactly right.\nThat's the certainty you give yourself\nright there. It's like, it's going to\nhappen, it's just I don't know when it's\ngoing to happen. Love that. Love that.\nWhat a great conversation. Dave, closing\ncomments for you, brother. Uh\npromote your book, promote your promote\nyour stuff. Give us something to hang\nout there for folks to connect with Dave\nSanderson.\n>> Well, thank you. Yeah, I can just\nmention we just launched our new brand,\nour new company last week, Resilient\nPartners Group, because one of the\nthings I've noticed in over the last 16\nyears is there's a lot there's a lack of\npeople with resilience in the mindset\nwhen it comes to all these things\nhitting them. So, you know, I'm actually\ntaking people now through my experience\nthe the frameworks that I built over the\nlast 16 years on how to be resilient,\nwhether it's you're resilient with your\ntime, resilient with your how you\napproach the the people in your life,\nhow or your vision. So, this is where\nwe're going right now. Check it out at\nresiliancepartnersgroup.com\nand we'd love to have a conversation\nwith you. resiliancepartnersgroup.com.\nDave Sanderson, Dave, I'm\n>> That's that's that. I mean, you you got\na [ __ ] amazing story. Is that what\nall I mean, you if you want to [ __ ]\nplug more [ __ ] do it. This is the part\nof the show where you can shamelessly\nsuck your own [ __ ] and nobody cares.\n>> [laughter]\n>> Well,\nI'll I'll leave you the other thing I'll\nleave you is this.\nJohn you will appreciate this based on\nthat last comment which I won't repeat.\nIs is this. Is you know, one of the\nthings that we talk about proximity is\npower. One of the things I'm trying to\nteach the next generations is how to do\nthat. So, I'm doing that by what I call\nhaving my mentor dinners. And I learned\nthis years ago from my first mentor Bill\nback in 1984. He did it. He did it\nlocally in Charlotte. I'm doing it now\nall across North America. Good for you,\nDave.\n>> a group of people and I'll show I'll\ntake them to somebody like last last\nweek we went and saw Chris Voss, the FBI\nnegotiator right?\nHad dinner with him and I'll show them\npeople how to get access to these kind\nof people, how and they get their minds\nand have build that proximity. So, check\nout my mentor dinner series. The next\none Love it, brother. Now we're cooking.\n>> and we're excited about that. I love\ncooking. Very good [ __ ] brother. That's\nthat's a cool [ __ ] thing right there.\nYep. Just sitting across the table from\nsomebody, right? That you can have a\nconversation you would never have access\nto. Yeah.\n>> Never ever have I I'll give I'll leave\nyou with this one. One of the people\nwe're working on for December which you\nguys WILL APPRECIATE\n>> DON'T TELL THEM IT'S ME.\nI HAVEN'T GOT there yet.\n>> Dave Emery, come on. He's sucking his\nown [ __ ] right now. You're not entering\nthis equation. Come on. That's That's\nall right, Keys. Hey, let me one maybe\nnext year we got we'll get to that get\nto that, but this gentleman right here\nhas got more gold and platinum records\nin history. Oh. He's He's the drummer\nnow for Sammy Hagar and his name's Kenny\nAronoff. So, we're going to work on\nsomething with a a rock star in\nHollywood so we can bring everybody\ntogether. How do you How do you become a\nrock star? How do you lead from the\ndrums instead of being a front guy like\nRobert Plant? Nice. That's That's going\nto happen later this year. Awesome. In\nLos Angeles. Dee Snider, thanks for\nhanging out with us this morning. Full\nof gratitude. Let's grab a coffee\nsometime this week if we can. Let's do\nit, man. I love that. 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