Nick Umble

Most of us spend our whole lives trying to prove something to someone. We're not always sure who. We chase the credential, the title, the number of followers who watched us do the thing. And [music] then every once in a while, someone walks in who did all of it and just doesn't care. His name is Nick. He spent 20 years in the US Army, 14 [music] as a Green Beret, First Special Forces Group, 30 countries, three Bronze Stars, a Valor Citation. He's never once made it a brand. He retired at 38 and walked onto a college football team to learn a position he'd never play. He tore his rotator cuff after one season, moved on without a single post [music] about it. He found strongman, Atlas stones, kegs, farmer carries. He finished ninth at the 2026 Arnold Masters World Championship, built Sentinel Strength, a gym, a coaching brand, a 58-episode podcast on surviving what comes after service. We asked him for his key message. He sent a shrug emoji. It's the most honest answer we've ever received. Nick now coaches people through the part after the medals, after the identity, after the proof. That conversation starts now. Nick, welcome to the big show. We're honored to have you in the lab today. Johnny, we got a guy with nothing left to prove. And that's the point. His name? Nick Humble. Nick, welcome to Mornings in the Lab with Keith, Bad Internet John and friends. Dude, that might be the single greatest [ __ ] intro I've ever heard in my life. Who [ __ ] is this? Who the [ __ ] IS THIS? OH, JOHNNY, HOLY [ __ ] OH MY JOHNNY, Nick doesn't have a green beret on his head. I think he might be bullshitting us. It's actually over here on my wall. Dude, you are you are you you are so far [ __ ] off in left field with this stuff. Unbelievable. So Nick, check this out, brother. Yesterday but did you hear that whole thing about the green beret? You have the difference but everybody's got the hat. Am I green beret, too? Did you hear that [ __ ] [ __ ] Were you listening? >> I did. Thank [ __ ] god, dude. Thank god. >> [laughter] >> Yesterday, this [ __ ] thought a chicken, a single chicken was $5,000. Well, cuz it produced nothing with food, Nick. I'm thinking, "Hey, What is it, five? It's a single chicken. And so today he says, "Listen." He says, "Today we got a green green beret coming." He's all, "Well, in all seriousness." He settles me down. "I want to ask you a serious question." >> [laughter] >> He's like, "Well, green beret, they all have the hats. What's What How do you tell them apart?" So Nick, how do you tell? How do you tell? Because it's like saying you're a SEAL. You're a green beret. It's a symbol for Christ's sake. It's Just because Yeah, I signed up for the army. I got a green beret. I got gave me a green hat. I'm a green beret. What is wrong with this little [ __ ] Nick, welcome to the show. Oh, it's it's everything as it was been advertised. I'll tell you that. It's a real quick just so you know, when he says this [ __ ] goofy [ __ ] just kind of let it go by. >> [laughter] >> So okay, so we got you here for 22 minutes, maybe longer. I'm just going to go to the kitchen and make some cookies. You guys can talk strength, talk green beret. I'll see you guys a little later, Nick Humble. >> some [ __ ] better internet. >> [laughter] >> Nick, where are you joining us from, brother? Where are you coming from today? West Virginia in the United States. Nicely done. Nicely done. So Johnny, 2026, this guy decides to go become a He He decides to compete in the Arnold Masters World Championship in strongman. And Nick, you probably know In terms of masters, that's that's going to be right at the top. And Johnny, he finished ninth. I just Well, I heard the [ __ ] intro, dude. >> [laughter] >> But Nick, you I never competed as a master. I was back in I retired in '07, so it was back right when the split was happening from IFSA and that whole thing, but cuz I believe it's where you were Arnold Masters and then it would be what, the Masters World Championship? Those are the top two, correct? So there's there was a OSG OSG enters that equation, too? Yeah, yeah. So there was a federation split at Strongman Incorporated. And that's a whole 'nother story in itself, but when it split, >> Yeah, Deonna Deonna was one of my good friends. That was huge. >> Okay, so you you know you know the deal, then. Yeah. Okay, so when they when they split, he went and stood up US Strongman and you can't go anywhere. Like you can go to nationals, but after you do nationals, you can't go anywhere else. Strongman Incorporated has always had nationals and then two years ago, they started doing regionals that can put you into the Arnolds. And then for a masters category, obviously. Like if you go to the Pro Am and win the Pro Am at the Arnolds, you go compete at the Arnold Classic >> next year. Next year, yeah. Yeah, which is [ __ ] A couple of guys have done really well with that, too. [ __ ] >> They have. A ton of guys have done well with that. So then [clears throat] then OSG has been around and they used to run a lot of regionals in the US. Now they only run one regional in like I think 15 different countries. And then you can do an online qualifier. So I'm going to try to do an online qualifier for OSG Worlds this year. So my next two comps will be Strongman Incorporated Nationals in August and then somehow between the end of July and the 1st of September, I'm going to try to qualify online for OSG as well. Right on. >> [clears throat] >> Very cool. Very cool. >> I don't know how to stop. Like I I spent 20 years in the army. I spent 16 years as that as a green beret and I was always in a training cycle. So when I retired, You're always preparing for something. Yeah, and if you don't do that, your mental My mental health I don't know [clears throat] about everybody else's, but my mental health went to [ __ ] So I was like, "Hey man, I got to I got to figure this out." And I found the sport of strongman. In my entire life from adolescence to strongman, I had worked on a team at some point. Well, in strongman, as you know, there's nobody to blame. Like you can't fake strength. It's it You can't blame other people. Like everything falls on you. And that's your equalizer, isn't it? That stone isn't getting any lighter. You got to get stronger. Correct. Like ever gets lighter. It just keeps get This is the strongest I've It's the heaviest I've ever been in my life, which I'm not so sure if that's all that great, but it's also the strongest I've ever been in my life. But but how old are you, brother? What's that? >> How old How old are you, brother? Uh 47. I'll be 48 in June. Good for you, man. That's [ __ ] cool. I I agree. Nick, there is something to be said about about the the That's what I love about the gym, right? And you look at a 45-lb plate, it's it's a 45-lb plate. It's not It doesn't matter what color you are, what sexuality you are, what gender you are. It's 45 lbs. And they're all like are like the stones you guys pick up, right? There's no It doesn't know what you are. You you you can't pick me up, well then you better [ __ ] work at it. It's just It's pretty simple, right? Yeah, yeah. So Nick, you Johnny, get this. He was a Special Forces Engineer Sergeant, which means that you special So your specialty was explosives and demolitions. Dude, that's that's a pretty hardcore [ __ ] I It was I loved it, man. It was 15 years of the greatest years of my life. Yeah. I loved it, man. I being I tell this to people all the time. People like, "What is it like being in special operations?" And I'm like, "It's the most toxic [ __ ] competitive environment that you could ever be in in your life." However, it has to be that way. It has to be uber competitive. And that uber competitiveness turns it toxic [clears throat] [ __ ] Well, it is I mean the the guys on the other side are trying to kill you. If you don't have that competitiveness, the guys that are doing that environment on the other side, they're going to [ __ ] eat your lunch and that's not you're not letting that happen. 100% and that's but it was I wouldn't trade the good days, the bad days, the deployments, the multiple divorces and marriages that I had. I wouldn't trade any of it. [clears throat] That experience that I had, those years with all those guys. Well, you know, brother, what I want to hear and I I think I caught this in the intro, you actually went and and tried to play football at collegiate level just cold, just just showed up and tried? So a year out, the army decided they wanted to make a career decision for me and I was like, "That's not [ __ ] happening." It was the first time in my career that it'd been done that way. So I decided I'm going to retire. So >> How old are you at this point? 37. So yesterday. Yeah. So I started I I found a long snapping coach. I What I really really did is I looked on a football roster and I was like, "What is the most Where can I be the most longevity at?" Like >> Long snap will do the trick, yes. Exactly. So >> [clears throat] >> I hired a coach, Chris Rubio, and he I spent a year with him and one of his satellite coaches and they taught me how to long snap and then I played a year of college football. I would have played longer, but I went to a private school and the school came back and said, "None of your military credits are going to count. You're going to need to be here for 4 years to get a bachelor's degree." And I'm a 38-year-old man at this point. I'm not a 22-year-old kid and I'm like, "Yeah, that's financial. That's [ __ ] I'm not going to do that." So I left after a year of school there and went online to finish my degree. >> Where was it? What? >> Belleville. So right It was an NAIA school right outside of St. Louis on the Illinois side. Okay. Small school, nothing huge, not a D1, great experience. And then the school made a lot of coaching and AD changes and like 4 years later, the whole school ended up being shut down. So Lindenwood >> Oh. Lindenwood proper is in St. Louis, really St. Charles, Missouri, and they have a D1 program there now that went from NAIA to D2 to D1. And when they went to D2, they started putting in all these satellite colleges and it's just like any corporation, right? You're just cannibalizing yourself at that point. They could They couldn't sustain the just hemorrhaging of money. So, they ended up closing all of their satellite schools and all they have is their main school now. Got you. Well, that's so what what was that experience like? I mean, you basically will learn to snap, showed up, said I want to try out. Yeah, I mean, I got I I snapped >> this because most people that's just seems like such a stretch. That's like what? >> [laughter] >> But I mean you I mean you understand what it's like to make a decision and go [ __ ] get it. And I just just did it done. Let's just do it. I don't know how to quit. It's like what's the next? Like after I competed at the Arnolds this year, it took me about a month to go what the [ __ ] am I going to do next? Like I I've been a national qualifier for 5 years. I've competed at nationals twice with two top 10 finishes. Like I've been to the Arnolds with a top 10 finish. Like what the [ __ ] do I do now? So, I'm still training and I'm going [clears throat] to go to nationals, but there's a part a part of me that's a little bit like what's next? What where can I push myself to the next level of this? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, walking on the football team, I got there and I had another kid that snapped and I beat him out and I started the first six or seven games. And from there I finished the rest of the season and then obviously the whole hey, your credits don't transfer over. But I what it did for me is it just getting out of the army is a transition itself after 20 years of being institutionalized. >> Yeah. So, going to school was sort of an institution and I was on a team and had made friends and it was funny that I'm 38 and now I have friends that are 18 to 22. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, brother so just cuz I'm I love this idea because there's I I guarantee there are people that wanted to walk on or maybe they're hearing this, maybe they're sitting with their dad and they listen to the show and they want to walk on. I mean, what do you literally and I'm kind of curious myself. So, you get trained for this? Right? You get a coach [clears throat] and school starts or you what you just read send the [ __ ] coach an email and say I want I want to walk on? No, I had So, I had at the So, I don't have any The only social media I have now is an X account and a LinkedIn. At the time I had Instagram and I had Facebook. So, I was posting snapping videos. Chris Rubio was helping me with recruiting. Another coach was helping me with recruiting that I met through the journey. And I had a coach call me from London was like, "Hey, I want to put you on scholarship and get you in." Now, he says, "I think you'll be a really good addition to this football team with your He looked at as maturity. >> [laughter] >> And it's a cool story. Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. Yeah. And so, I went and played football there and like all the refs knew who I was. I didn't know who they were. Like we would be walking off the field at the end of the game and they'd be like, "Hey, man, it was like an honor being here with you." And I'm like, "What the fuck?" Like Yeah, thank you. I had no idea that a lot of those referees knew like who I was and it would to me it wasn't That's a [ __ ] story to have someone in their mid-30s come and play on a football. That's a great [ __ ] story. Holy [ __ ] It was a blast, man. I I had a great time. As a matter of fact, I just got replica jerseys made and I'm going to put one under that Marcus Mariota jersey behind me Nice. >> um here in the next week or two. Hey Nick. >> Are you a big Are you a Oregon fan or just a Mariota fan? No, man. So, well, we got season tickets when I was in the army. I was at Fort Lewis in Tacoma and we would drive down to the Ducks. I had season tickets for 2 years. And the first year I had tickets was the year Mariota won his Heisman. And so, my wife it's actually her jersey. She's a super Mariota fan. And because of the human being that he is. And so, her a bunch of employees got together for Christmas and got her a signed Marcus jersey. And she was like, "I don't know where to put this." So, I was like, "I know I know exactly where that thing can go." >> [laughter] >> I do. I'll help you with that part. You're hanging out with Nick on the but he's got John Anderson this morning on Mornings with Lab with Keith John and Friends. Nick is a former Green Beret Sentinel Street. Actually, I guess I I incorrectly stated it. You're never a former, you're always a Green Beret, right? Like I was actually I'm being serious. Can you correct me? How how do you how how does one identify? Cuz Well, brother, just kind of like this, you're always going to be a weird [ __ ] You're never going to get rid of that. >> [laughter] >> It's who it's I I'll say it like this. Yeah. Being a Green Beret forged who I am today, but it's not who I am today. Oh, interesting response. I'm a husband. I'm a strong man. I'm I'm a guy that likes to keep his [ __ ] grass looking like a goddamn golf course. That's who I am today. But for 15 years, you know, I was a guy that wanted to get after it on a team. But that's not who I am now, but it made me who I am today. I want to hear, brother, I want to hear cuz obviously, >> [clears throat] >> you know, like the the process that turned you into that warrior. Yes. Tell us a story about one of the things that the public might have a hard time comprehending that you actually would do. Yeah. Good morning, Rico. You mean to like like my journey in getting in getting Yeah, almost like whatever whatever they call that phase of of becoming that high-level warrior. I guess in the school sense, right? You'll go to SFAS, Special Forces Assessment Selection. If you get selected and you make it through and get selected, then you'll go to the Special Forces Qualification Course. And that can be anywhere from I think it's seven or eight months up to a year and a half. And then depending on what job you get, like the medics are the longest and the engineers and the weapons guys are the shortest and then comms guys fall somewhere in the middle. Okay. And then you'll get through with that, you'll go to SERE school and language school and then you'll go in. I guess for me it was I was in the army. I was a I was a carpenter in the army. I was a carpentry masonry engineer. >> no [ __ ] And I was like, "There's got to be something better." And my buddy made a comment like I want to go try out to be a Green Beret and I had no idea what it was. So, I kind of read a little bit about it and then we just >> Cuz you remember, brother, Rambo was a [ __ ] Green Beret. Yes. >> [laughter] >> So was John Wayne. I mean, There we go. There we go. >> [laughter] >> But I just I started to train for it and it just gave me like I don't know. I've always had this thing like the stronger I get or the faster [clears throat] I get or the the human performance side of it. I didn't really understand that, but the more that I trained it I got I would get faster doing this or I would get stronger doing this. It just appealed to me. And so, going through some of that [ __ ] I mean, SFAS isn't all that fun to go through. I mean, that's 24 days of [ __ ] insanity. What is Just describe what that is. That's what I'm after. Yes. So, I don't know there's tiers where they're testing that you actually have what it takes to stay in that level. Talk about those tests. I don't know how SFAS is run today because obviously I've been out I've been out of the army. I've been retired for 10 years and I haven't been to selection in 25. So, 25 years ago you showed up and you went to Camp McCall, North Carolina and you did some you did three three road marches that were four, six, four, 12, and 25 at the end. You did three big runs. What does that mean? What does that mean 425 at the end? What does that mean? So, a a ruck march is basically putting a backpack on with 40 or 50 pounds on your back and then you'll walk. So, we we did a a four-miler was one day. Then at some point in there we did a 12-miler. And then at the very end, the last gut check of the 24 days is a 25-mile road march. Wow. And so, you're basically just your dick is in the dirt at that point. >> That's a marathon right there with 50 pounds on your back in boots. Oh, yeah. It's it's it's not all that great. It's not fun. >> [laughter] >> And then in between that you did a whole bunch of land navigation. So, you would do day land nav and then night land nav. And that's just walking through the woods trying to find points doing orienteering. And then you would do a team week where you would do two events a day for 5 days. And you would see who plays well with others. And yeah. Some guys don't play well with others. And then at the end of it you do a peer. Like this guy is awesome or this guy is sucks. And then you can get peered out of the class whenever if your whole team thinks that you're a [ __ ] and hey, you're done. And they'll just you're you're you're gone. Then sometimes guys go to a board and they get personality looked at and they're like, "Your personality's not what we want." >> [clears throat] >> Is it a setting where they're trying to get you to quit? You know, like they you always hear the stories about the SEALs where all you got to do is ring the bell and you can go get you warm and have some pizza. No, I don't I don't remember anybody actively going like, "Hey, you can." But a lot of guys just leave. Like it sucks. It's not fun. Like it it's grueling and it just it's just one of those things that just slowly I don't remember anyone in SFAS just actively trying to get you to quit or [ __ ] with you on purpose to get you to quit. They were just like, "Wake up, do the task." And if you can't do the task or don't want to do the task. The funniest part for me is this is that I was a carpenter and there were a lot of dudes that were like, "I'm not going to leave out of here unless I'm in a body bag." And the next thing you know, you wake up the next morning and they left during the night and quit. And people would be like, "How are you going to quit the [ __ ] carpenter's still here?" That was the joke, right? Like wait a minute, how is this carpenter here and you're in a [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> The carpenter's still here and you quit. Hey, Nick, so talk a little bit about So, you know, we hear you know, so you were in Special Forces Green Beret. So, there's that. And then we you know, to John's point we hear often about the you know, SEAL Team or SEAL Team Six training. Like like is it the same? Is it different? Is it like like can you kind of explain to He didn't He didn't He didn't just say that. Yeah. So, let's let's let's look at tiers, right? So so you have SEALs >> Oh, real real quick, I was going to say, you realize a seal, the symbol means they're in the water. Do you understand that? [laughter] I know what they Well, the difference, maybe that alone will help you understand what we're talking about here, Wino. I I'm thinking so much about just the training and the and and just the hard-ass training that that that it takes to create a green beret. >> Training in the water or not? Well, there's being on land. That's the biggest difference, right? How it is? Yeah, the SEALs spend a lot of time in Hence hence the name SEAL. No, I know, but but but that but that is the biggest like so it's adding the the the land to the water. So you're good on the land, you want to be you want to you want to be the ultimate elite, you got to go get in the water, too, Nick. Well, so special forces has dive teams. Yes. >> And then there's tiers. So I'm going to catch a lot of [ __ ] about this, but if you think of special forces, maybe SEALs, like normal SEAL teams, special forces teams, Marine Raider teams, all those guys are like on a tier of like let's say that's a tier two level. Okay. >> Your tier one level is like Delta, SEAL Team Six. >> Yeah. It's >> [clears throat] >> it's when they pick the select from that tier two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> like being in the NFL or being on the being an All-Star in the NFL. Or excuse me, what do they call it? All League or whatever the the or Hall of Fame, you know, I mean, it's like you're the crème de la crème of the best league in the world. So the services run it different, right? So in the Navy to go to SEAL Team Six, you have to be a SEAL already. Yeah, for sure. >> Okay. Now, to be a Delta Force guy, you can come from anywhere in the Army. You can come from the [ __ ] Marine Corps if you want to. If you go to selection, they'll do a branch transfer. Oh. Okay. >> Navy SEALs have gone over to be Yeah, that that one right there, they don't give a [ __ ] where you came from, but are you badass enough to to do it? Yep. So Nick is the Is it going to [clears throat] be like the Is there like like Like what's the one? Like is there like what like what's the pinnacle, like the like the most elite soldier in the US military? Like what would that Like what is it? Is SEAL Team Six, Delta, like what? Ranger? Like I'm I'm just throwing names out. Delta, isn't it? Isn't that what he just explained? The tier one units would be Delta and and ST6. Oh, yeah, okay. Okay. Those [clears throat] are the Those are the two that are picking from the all of the best of the best, and they're just taking a small group of the best of the best of the best. Correct? >> those dudes are the guys that like snatched Bin Laden. Like those are the dudes that are killed Bin Laden. [laughter] The other dudes are the guys that snatched [ __ ] dude in Venezuela. Yes. Yeah. Like those are the guys doing that. And what it really depends on and who is is who is the Joint Special Operations Command commander. If the dude's in the Army, who's he going to send? If the dude's in the Navy, who's he going to send, right? >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> down to that. Yeah, yeah. Keith, John, and Nick hanging out this morning. Hey Nick, we had you here for 30. Do you have extra time to hang out with us or do you got to get out of here? Oh, man, I got whatever time you need. Awesome. So let me ask this question about the So you you have been in the forces and you watch now from afar, do you still yourself get fascinated by some like for example, Venezuela, right? So it was this operation all of a sudden just happened. So do you still yourself kind of go, "Wow, how'd they do that?" Or do you kind of get all nerdy and get fascinated? Or do or or is it just like in in one ear, out the other? Oh, that's just normal [ __ ] for those guys. It's more of the latter, but with the attitude of like, "Holy [ __ ] I didn't see that coming." OH, OKAY. >> [laughter] >> LIKE THAT SHIT'S BADASS, BUT LIKE [ __ ] I DID THAT WAS NOT ON MY BINGO CARD FOR THIS YEAR. >> [laughter] [gasps] >> OH, THERE YOU KNOW WHAT, JOHNNY? THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR what Nick said, cuz you and I've often joked about whatever's happening over there, we should go pay attention to what's happening over here. So it's not lost upon me, Nick, that a few months ago there was a lot of noise happening over there, just down below you. Now there's a bunch of noise happening over there, which makes me wonder, Nick, what they're doing over there, if you know what I'm talking about, right? >> I do. 100% dude. I COMPLETELY UNDER >> [laughter] >> OR OR HEY, JIMMY, get this clip ready. Or what's happening with these NASA engineers and UFO guys going missing? Nick, have you heard about this? Yeah, I A 29-year-old NASA engineer is dead, and the FBI just opened a file on 12 more scientists. That's not a coincidence conversation, that's a national security briefing. Joshua LeBlanc worked on nuclear propulsion at NASA. His Tesla was found burned beyond recognition in Alabama. No confirmed connections yet, but when the president says he's been briefed, you stop calling it a theory. Nick, thoughts on that? I don't That's I I seen a podcast about that the other day, and I I knew that there were some missing. I just didn't know the particulars behind every dude, and they said the particulars behind every guy. I bro, I'm not saying aliens are there, but I mean, you can only dig so deep before bad [ __ ] starts happening, it looks like. Well, yeah, that's that's exactly what I was thinking, too, brother. You you don't want to know too much in that world. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, Johnny, there's a there's a I saw a post yesterday, a young lady, her her partner, they're working on anti-gravity technology. One of them's gone missing. Yeah, she's she's been doing it for like 15 years or something. And one of them's gone like that's just [ __ ] bizarre, right? So think about Anderson, you you start down this path, you start discovering something, you create this invention, Nick and Terry's like, "Where's John?" I'm not sure. Somebody [ __ ] took him. Like it's crazy [ __ ] Nick. I mean, and this I believe that these patterns are are not [ __ ] new. This has been happening [ __ ] decades. Yes. Yeah, all that's new is that this administration is choosing to talk about it publicly instead of sign things with an auto pen. So Nick Nick and [laughter] John this morning on Mornings with the Lion with Keith, John, and friends. Hey, so I got a segment on the show that I really enjoy, and John breaks [ __ ] down, and it's called committed, Nick. And one thing I really enjoy about my brother here is he's got an eye for for for movement. Like he he he spots >> Well, here's the thing, though. Our our man has got it, too, because perfect example, like part of what where where I developed this, brother, was especially coming into the sport of strongman, you know, I I I got to I turned pro my third contest. So I was traveling internationally right away, and I didn't [ __ ] I was back in the Mark Philippi days, you know, and [clears throat] Phil Pfister days, and so I'm traveling with these guys, and I'm like [ __ ] green, and I'm having to figure [ __ ] out. So I'm like literally [clears throat] studying like all these little like, "Fuck, where are they grabbing that stone? Like a field stone, they're they're turning it this way." So I was just breaking down all these little details, you know, and of course, then we would compete as a team, they would help me with this [ __ ] but I guarantee you do the same thing. You walk in, yeah. You go to the arena, you walk around, you look at the equipment, go, "Okay, I need to grab this [ __ ] I need to turn this stone this direction. I want this side down when I pick this [ __ ] up." He's got it, too, Keith. I guarantee I know it. And Nick, I met John, I thoroughly enjoyed it, cuz we'll do things, and John will show me something I haven't seen. He's like, "No, look at that." I'm like, "Holy fuck." Like he the way he can Yeah, it's like you're you're not you're looking at look don't look at the don't look at this, look at that. And then it's like, "Oh, I didn't even see that." Well, [ __ ] that's our eyes go to what what are we we've got to find the the little [ __ ] handle. We need the little lip to put our fingers on of whatever we're lifting. That kind of [ __ ] you know. So this is kind of ridiculous, but it's all serious, [clears throat] because it affects all of us every single day when we're on the roads driving, but Jimmy put this up here. Look at the commitment to this task of [ __ ] painting road lines. Like and I'm being serious, think of the commitment like you just like like the monotony and the commitment to [ __ ] color in the lines, Nick Umble. And I'm not and I'm being actually [ __ ] serious right now. He turns it into a game. Oh, yes, he does. And he's turning he turns it into a game. That's what he's doing. He's turning it into an evolution. Because it's the only way he can probably keep himself motivated to do it non-stop, like you know, and and and but when I saw that, I'm like, could you imagine doing that for eight to 10 [ __ ] hours a day? Like the like the commitment you have to movements and to going over a line, and I know it sounds goofy, but there's a lot of truth to what I'm saying right now. I mean, that's how I that's how I mean Yeah, I know, you're so correct, dude, cuz you got to like, "Okay, I got to [ __ ] nail this spot perfectly. I'm going to put the I'm going to put the [clears throat] whatever the spray guard over here, cuz I can overspray this, but this side's got to be [ __ ] perfect." >> It's crazy, [laughter] man. You'd think they'd have robots for all that, but no. There there you go.