Dave Sanderson: the conversation

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Most people don't get a warning before life changes. One normal day becomes the day everything splits in half. Maybe it was a phone call. Maybe it was a hospital room. Maybe it was the moment your plan disappeared. That's when you find out what you actually do under pressure, not what you hope you'd do. Dave Sanderson had that [music] moment after changing to an earlier flight because work finished sooner than expected. He boarded US Airways flight 1549 as a business traveler trying to get home. Then the plane hit the Hudson and the cabin [music] started filling with freezing water. At the exit, Dave heard his late mother's voice. She told him to do the right thing. So, he stayed inside. He helped others move forward while the aircraft kept sinking around him. Dave stood in that [music] water for about 7 minutes becoming the last passenger off what became the miracle on the Hudson. His body started giving [music] out. Then he heard his mother again refusing to let him quit. At the hospital, his underwear had frozen to his skin. Doctors spent hours bringing his body temperature back. And the next morning, he got on another plane. Not someday, not when it felt safe. The next morning. One Red Cross blanket stayed with him. That one act of care became a 14.8 million dollar mission of gratitude. Today, Dave teaches post-traumatic growth, the 1549 [music] decision framework, and how people make decisions when pressure is highest. Dave, welcome to the lab. We're grateful you're here and we're ready to hear what that day really taught you. Johnny Johnny, today's guest survived the miracle on the Hudson and it clearly sounds like he's survived his balls being iced for a long time. Coming up, Dave Sanderson is welcome to the lab with Keith and John. Good morning, Dave. Hey, man. Hey, I I love the Robert Plant stuff, man. It brought me back to my my youth. Thank you. >> Yes. Where are you joining us from today, pal? Charlotte, North Carolina today. Ah, I love Charlotte. Love me a Charlotte. I've spent a little bit of time in Charlotte. What a great town. Welcome to our show. Excited to be here with you guys. Thank you for having me today. Yes, so let's get into it, dude. You You survived the plane crash, period, point blank period. Let's hit that [ __ ] That's it. What? Like what the hell, man? Honest to God. Yeah. Yeah, I was I mean, you know, you go through something like this, you think you survived the the crash, and all of a sudden you got another thing you got to face that's called water coming into the plane. So, I I tell people there was really two different distinct situations going on. Yeah. It's all the credit getting it down, but then it was a team effort for everybody to get out. So, real quick, what what is the very interested I've no idea when I ask this question. If a plane is going to crash, right, what are the odds of it getting to the point where people can actually [ __ ] get out like your situation? Very, very low odds. I mean, this is the first time in history it's happened like this. I mean, you know, the captain gets all the credit cuz I mean, his years of training gliding a plane, no power whatsoever, getting it down. I mean, it's it was an amazing feat just to get it get it to a Normally, it would have just hit the [ __ ] water and disintegrated, everybody would have died. That would have been the norm? Well, the norm would have been either tipping into New York City or tipping into New Jersey City. And all of a sudden, now you have a bigger challenge than than what would happen that day. Yeah. So, if if someone could get it to the water, the chances go If the pilot, excuse me, can get it to the water, the chances go up. You got it right there. So, now now you at least have a shot. At least you have a shot. Okay. Got you. So, he just he kept the he kept the game he kept the game playing for you. That's perfect, okay? Right on. So, Dave, I'm a I'm a big fan of the moment before the moment. You're on the plane, and you're just it's a you you've you've flown a gazillion times in your entire life, just routine. You're probably on your BlackBerry or your phone at the time, right? And then and then and then and then it strikes the bird. Yep. Exactly. >> What were you doing before it struck the bird? And and when it struck the bird, what what kind of reaction did you have in your brain? Great question. I wasn't paying attention, man. I was reading a magazine. You know, I thought I knew everything on a plane. >> Back in the olden days, the magazine. I had a magazine, right? I mean, I had magazines in my briefcase, reading a magazine. Yeah. But when he hit it, that's when I looked up and looked out the window, and that's when I saw fire coming out of >> Were you on that side of the window, Dave, or were you on the other side? I was on the left side, four rows behind where the where the engine was, so I actually saw the smoke and the fire coming out of the engine. Yeah. Did did it did the plane, excuse [snorts] me, did the birds hit both sides or just the one side? Both sides simultaneously. That's Oh, [ __ ] It was a massive flock of [ __ ] birds. Yeah. Yeah, I think they pulled out eight out of one and five out of the other, somewhere in that in that range. Correct. Wow. Talk about Talk about what it feels like to be scared. And what I mean by that question is not the obvious way that I asked that question. You follow what I'm saying, Dave? Because in that moment, you're not scared. In that moment, you're wondering what the [ __ ] is going on, and you're trying to delineate your emotions. Talk about the emotions in that exact moment for me, if you don't mind. It's exactly correct. I mean, at that point, you don't have time to be scared. You got to start thinking about what's my next play. I talk about all the time, what's my best next move? That's what I was thinking about. So, you know, I I I I had to figure out, hey, if we survive, what am I going to do? So, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So, you you you had the mindset to to ask the two letters of if? Yep. Most definitely. I Cuz I don't know. I mean, I I as I'm a business guy, right? I play sports. It's like you always have to plan for the future. Yes. So, that's my I was my thought. And it's like, you know, hey, listen, I don't know if this if this guy's going to be able to get it down or not candidly. But, you know, if he doesn't, then, candidly, this game's over anyway. Yeah. >> But, if he does, what am I going to do? And my best next move was my thought it was get to the aisle, get up and get out. That's all I could think about. Get to the aisle, get up and get out. Johnny? Yeah. No, I mean, at that point, I'm I'm to myself, [ __ ] You know, water, you just landed me in my [ __ ] crypt tonight, man. I need a couple extra [ __ ] life jackets, what I'm thinking. And Dave, you know, I I I I've done my research, I've read I've read a number of things about your your your situation. I've read a number of I I followed the story. I'm I'm a news junkie. I followed it. I I I I watched it happen. You say consistently, Johnny, he says this consistently, I'm not a hero. The real heroes were the first responders. What does a hero mean to Dave Sanderson? Yeah, those are the people who show up when all stuff's breaking loose in your life and give you this give you the certainty to do what you need to do at that moment. But I would argue you were in that moment, Dave. I would argue that you were. When you asked those two if [clears throat] in your brain you said if as a leader, when you asked that let when you asked that question if, you took into account everybody sitting next to you. That's what I hear you say. Well, you know, I I was very blessed. I grew up in a place where everybody took care of everybody. You know, it's a small town outside Cincinnati, where my mindset was, you know, I I I survived. Does anybody else need help? And that's when I climbed to the back of the plane to see if anybody needed help. That's That's how it happened. Simple as that, eh? >> I got to turn I just realized I didn't turn my ventilation system on. I'm going to get an alarm. Give me 10 seconds to turn this on. We're hanging with Dave Sanderson this morning, the survivor of the miracle of the Hudson, very, very grateful to have David with us this morning. Dave, you share a birthday with Captain Sullenberger. Dude, like you you know, I'm a big fan, I know Johnny is as well, of things happen for a reason. The universe, things just seem to happen. When when you when when that moment happened and life started to go on, when did you realize you guys shared a birthday and and and and how does that Because you can't write a better story, Dave. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting It's very That's one of the interesting things that came out about a year later. We were a lot of us were up in New York City. We were launching a book, called Brace for Impact, and all of a sudden we're on all these TV. Then someone said, you know, about his birthday coming up, which was my birthday, which we're 10 years apart. So, it was like it was very very ironic. And both of our our our signs are Aquarius. So, water, right? Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Johnny will appreciate this, too. So, not only did Dave crash into the ocean, I'm sorry, into the Hudson. I I think Anderson that often when we when we face a fear, we're scared to go back. He survives the plane crash, but he chooses not to remain out of the water. He goes back in time to go swim with the Navy SEALs in the Hudson. Dave, talk about that, combating your fears. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And it was really it was two different missions, guys. First mission was I really Once I found out that there was a 22 people commit suicide a day in the military, I I was I was blown away. I said, "This in the in the United States, how can this be?" So, I wanted to raise visibility and money. But the second thing was really for my kids, to show them how to face your fears. You have to get back. You have to do it. And I wanted to show my kids is that, you know, listen, we're all going to go through stuff in our lives, right? No life is ever going to get through to see the sunshine. But you got to step up and face it. And that that that situation, going back into the Hudson, where I almost died, not only showed my kids, but hopefully other people that, you know, if you have the mental state, the mindset, [clears throat] you can accomplish anything. Yeah. So, did So, on that level, brother, I mean, when this whole thing, [clears throat] very traumatic, but you also strike me as a guy that would that as you kind of responded the way that you did, you you really responded more than reacted. You know, you didn't react and freak out. When when the whole thing was over, did it give you some sort of like a trauma, or were you What was the next You know, I imagine some people were [ __ ] signing up for the closest therapist they can get their hands on. Yeah, I was There's a lot of people who needed that therapy, and fortunately for us, US Airways offered it to all of us, but I didn't take it. I didn't need it. I That's what I was going to strike me like it almost makes me wonder why, going back to face your fear, you already whooped your fear. Yeah, but you know, it's you may or may not know I had 10 years of experience being head of security for a guy by the name of Tony Robbins. Oh, okay. >> be able to be with Tony. I got to be around with him and his people, but the mindset it takes, right? >> Yes. >> all the state management and all the things he teaches. So, I you know, I was I was already in that mode that you know, you know, I was not you you hit it perfectly. I it was it was it was more it wasn't a reaction, it was a response. It's like, okay, we you know, I faced stuff before. What is that why my book is called Moments Matter? I I'm very familiar with that. It framed you for that moment. >> I got a lot of I got a lot of Robin's seeds planted in my head, so for sure, you know. And Johnny, you talk about what's your slogan? Every good tragedy No, you're close, better though. Don't let a good tragedy go to waste. Because you because if I take that John to Dave here, Dave has a TEDx Talk. And and Johnny, it's about post-traumatic growth. The idea, John, that trauma does doesn't leave scars, but it can be a springboard for acceleration. The same thing you talk about Anderson. Most of the world talks about PTSD, Sanderson's flipped it. He talks about the difference between people who grow through trauma or the people who get stuck in it. Dave, talk about that because that's a fine line, man, and that fine line has a lot to do with empathy and compassion. Because somebody would say, "OH, YOU DON'T have any compassion or empathy because you don't [ __ ] deal with my tragedy." How do you How do you stand on that fine line, Dave? Yeah, thank you for asking because I didn't even know this is really you know, I'm not going on my mind drive. I was interviewed for AARP magazine, and a guy basically revealed to me. He said, "Why Why didn't you go through this while other people did?" Yeah. So, what all I did is really put together in my thoughts, and that's what my TED Talk is about. The strategies that I used to grow out instead of going through a depression. And the first thing I had to do is of course change my state, the way I move and my body, but the second thing was the meaning that I attached to it. A lot of people's meaning is our tragedy is devastation. My meaning was it was a blessing. And that meaning as as John may know is he's a Tony Robbins guy is your emotion. So if I can put myself in that meaning and that emotion and that's a blessing, then I'm here to serve at a bigger level. That's how that's the part first two steps of the strategy to get out of a traumatic life experience to be able to grow from instead of going to a different direction. Yeah, I mean it's [clears throat] it's kind of crazy when when you do what when you understand first what you're speaking of and what people do and they practice a little bit, it's pretty crazy how you take to it because it it [ __ ] works number one, but it feels good. And when I mean I'm a big I'm a I'm a follower of feeling, man. When something feels right to me, I keep chasing that. So I'm a chaser of how I feel. And you know, this whole thing you're describing coming from and you know, goodness gracious. I think you would have to think you agree. Tony Robbins probably influenced more people in a positive way than any other single person on the planet at this moment. What do you think? I totally agree. I've been I've been with Tony around the world several times and I've seen the impact he has and the impact he still has and he's still growing. And that's why I think people who and I think one thing that Tony's always told told me years ago always has wanted. So he wants other people to actually do and take action on the stuff he teaches. I mean 99% of people go to the events and get happy and that's great. They go home and go back. Yes, one of one of my >> And go and do something with it. And that's the 1% that actually [clears throat] grow you know, from whatever the situation they're in. One of my clients actually, you know, this is a few years back. >> [clears throat] >> I had totally changed his life and he basically he basically gave me a present, paid for everything. He took me to one of Robbins's things over in Fiji, that little group in Fiji. And it was like a week long deal. And [clears throat] I mean I had listened to him talk a ton on videos, but the the thing that was really hammered down hard in person, what you're describing is, "Look, none of this matters if you go home and do the same [ __ ] you're doing." Yes. You know, and so, you know, that's that that structure of of, you know, for me it's all about systems. I I I keep >> Exactly. It's processes. Exactly right. >> Yeah, I mean, I got a I got a [ __ ] system for putting lotion on when I get out of the shower, for Christ's sake. [laughter] I got a system for brushing my teeth, you know. Yeah. Go ahead, Dave. Please. >> well, what I'm I'm I'm glad you went there, John, cuz it's one of the things that I talk about how process saves lives. If you don't have a process for your health, you're going to get sick. You don't have a process for your money, you're going broke. You don't have a process for your relationships relationships, you break up. So, I I I'm in alignment with exactly what you said. You better have processes throughout your life and every part of your life. Or, you know, like Tony talks about that wheel, and you have that one chunk in the wheel, and it's not going to turn. You better be able to have these processes laid out, so all I've really done is taken all those years of experience, those moments, put processes in my life for all these different areas, so when that time hit, I've I'm I think I was mentally prepared. You're never prepared for a plane crash. I really don't think that. No. I think but but when you have to face it, it's like, now you're at least in the mental state to say, "You know what? I can handle this, and you know, and this is how we're going to handle it, and first thing we're going to do is get ourselves in the proper state state of mind." >> Keith John and Dave Dave Sanderson, survivor of the Hudson River crash 1549 this morning, hanging out with myself John Anderson this morning. Mornings with Keith John and Friends. Dave, are you a man of faith? I am a man of faith. How did your faith come into question when that moment happened? An interesting question, cuz the first interview that I did with a magazine was a gentleman by the name of Rick Warren. He was a minister out in California. And in in the article it was called God's hands were all over us. Cuz I really believe [clears throat] that day It about a bigger mission, a bigger vision. I wasn't supposed to be on that plane. I was scheduled on a 5:00 flight, right? All of a sudden you have the right captain and the right seat at the right time. Yes. There's too many things that have to have had to happen sequentially to make that thing happen. >> to be on that plane. You weren't supposed to be Johnny, you weren't supposed to be You weren't supposed to be on that plane. No. No, I gave up a first class seat at 5:00 for seat 15A, a flight 549 on January 15th. It was brother it was supposed to happen. Yep. Yeah. Part of your plan, brother. I think it I think everybody on that plane was on there for a reason and a purpose. Everybody was on there for a reason. >> The question is did they did they realize that and have they used that to their benefit? Uh yeah, I don't question or judge anybody. They got to do what they got to do and you know, I I bless everybody who got that got out of that plane cuz it was a team effort. Well, no, yeah, no judgment by any means. I'm just Do people realize this you know, this actually should have been a catalyst for them to do something great? Yeah. Coming up in about 8 minutes we've got Briana Bass, Johnny myself and Johnny Anderson. Why high-performing men have the worst sex lives? Maybe Dave's going to stick around for that one coming up at the top of the hour with with Briana Bass. Johnny, so Dave has raised $14.8 million for the American Red Cross all because Anderson a volunteer handed him a blanket when he reached dry land. So Anderson, talk about that. You get the blanket and you're like, "Oh, I got to go raise some money." Yeah, no, I didn't Well, it wasn't exactly like that. Cuz I was frozen, man, and they handed me a blanket. I didn't even put the blanket on. They gave me a blanket, but that became the symbol for me. You know what? Someone's there when you with you and for you when all steps breaking loose in your life. And so I wanted to give back some way, somehow give back. So I was the first time I did it was in Charlotte. I helped them raise $120,000 here in Charlotte. And all of a sudden that opened up to other you know, parts of the Red Cross where I could serve. And that way I could give back to them for all those people they serve every single moment of every single day. Yeah, that's incredible, man. That's absolutely incredible. Johnny. I mean, I think it's a This is like a I think for everybody listening that's that's and I've already said it. This is like a perfect example of, you know, the sometimes the biggest [ __ ] sandwich that doesn't seem like it should have any purpose. There's a purpose there. You just got to you got to look a little deeper. Well, then Anderson, taking taking what you just said to the next level. So, that So, it happens to him. Underwear's frozen to his skin. Probably sack and balls are just all on his body. So, he's just he's he's just all all up in arms. And get this though, right? So, it takes him 5 hours to bring the body back to temperature. The next morning, Anderson, he doesn't get in a car, doesn't get in a train, doesn't get in a bus. He get back on an airplane. So, so Dave Sanderson, so the next morning, not even 24 hours later, you mentally had the fortitude to go, "Okay, I got to get back up on the horse again and get going again." Yeah, that's pretty much what happened. Yeah, sorry. That's pretty much what happened. And you know, I I wanted to get home and the only way I could get home was on a plane. Yes. So, and so fortunately for me that, you know, my person from the US Airways, my liaison, Doreen, who I love her. She took great care of me. Put me in a situation where I was well I was well protected. I was well protected. You know, the flight attendants took care of me. The captain knew who I was, you know, and so but I have to admit, it was when we hit the 3,000-ft mark when we were taking off, that's when it all rushed back into my body. That's when Really? Yeah, I mean, that's when, you know, the birds hit, right? 3,000 ft. Well, you could feel that [ __ ] literally when you say rushed back into your body, that's [ __ ] chemistry coming out of your brain just [ __ ] like that must have been like, "Holy shit." Yep, it was. That that was I tell people that was the moment that really, you know, at that point two things. Number one, I can't believe I survived this thing. And second, how lucky am I to be able to do this? Be able to get back on a plane and being able to you know give go see my family again. So it was a moment of gratitude but also like you said John it was a moment of holy crap. I can't believe what I can't believe what happened yesterday because it happened at the same place. And you know with here cuz what how here's the back story. The captain and I had a conversation before I got on the plane. He said when we hit 3,000 ft I'm going to ring the bell so you and I will know where this happened yesterday. Oh. So he knew already. All right. How did you feel about that actually? But how did you feel about him doing that? Like to acknowledge that? Was that kind of like what the [ __ ] you doing that for? Well I wasn't even thinking man. I was like give me this seat put my hoodie up like the Unabomber man. I just locked her down right I said get me out of here. But then I heard the ding ding ding. I looked out and I'm like this is exactly where this happened yesterday. I'm like whoa. Oh my goodness. That was the moment it rushed back into me. That was the exact second. So here's the question brother. So I'm going to make a comparison >> [clears throat] >> to experience that I had that's not even close but it's the closest thing I can think of, right? So when I was touring in Japan and when I was wrestling I would be gone sometimes 3 weeks and one of the things that was like it was like the most amazing [ __ ] feeling is walking out that [ __ ] the plane's landed back to San Francisco and I'm walking out to see my [ __ ] family and keep in mind I didn't almost die. I was just gone for 3 [ __ ] weeks. They knew I was coming home [ __ ] safe. But just to see them was like I mean it was like oh I I can think about that right now and I can feel the [ __ ] the the the chemistry that oxytocin all the [ __ ] flooding my bloodstream and I got this tingly feeling. What the [ __ ] was it like for you when you walked out and you your family has seen all of this? You're getting back on another [ __ ] plane. And they in their minds they're thinking [ __ ] till he comes walking out I almost don't believe this. What was that [ __ ] like to I mean, I'm just pimples just [ __ ] asking the question. Well, thank thank you for that analogy cuz, you know, fortunately for me that my family brought them down to the gate and be able so they could actually see me as I walked off the plane. And yeah, it was very it was very emotional. I think it was just my third daughter is the one who really probably the most emotional [clears throat] cuz she didn't think I was coming back. So, I think that was the moment I think it hit everybody that wow, you know, we're we're all not only blessed, but man, I can't believe what we're going through right now, right? And but God's God's hands are all over us. That's why I named that article that cuz it would He has hands are all over us. Well, you know what strikes me too, gentlemen, is how many and I just I'm I'm asking the question as an open question. Like Dave, I wonder how many survivors out there might have anger at you and the survivors because they've lost because they have had fam They've They've had family members that didn't survive a plane crash. Do you follow what I'm saying? So, I wonder how many people out there have this this this this anger or this resentment for like, why did they survive when my family was taken away? And I'm not trying to make it negative, but you follow what I'm saying? Listen, I appreciate that question cuz first interview I did in Canada was for a for the TV station in Montreal. Yeah. It was shortly after the plane crashed in the the Buffalo plane crash and when, you know, the Buffalo plane down to the plane. >> Yes. Yes. And they asked me the first question is asked the question, why why do you think you survived and they didn't? Oh. And I was not ready for that question whatsoever. I thought it was going to be more of, you know, analytical. And I all I could get out was it wasn't my time. Yeah. >> It wasn't my time. And, you know, maybe God had a different plan for your families or different in different people. I don't know. I'm not there, but I know for this this is a fact this wasn't my time because I shouldn't be >> [clears throat] >> right now. Yeah. >> I mean, my body was like you said, 5 hours it took them to warm my body up. I mean, they had to cut my underwear off because it was frozen to my body. Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of things going on that people really don't know about in the back story, right? That you don't ever get out to the public, right? >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Dave, what scares you today? You You have been through hell. What scares you today? Well, you know, I I don't know if anything scares me, but what worries me is where how my kids' mindsets are going into this world right now cuz they're going through crap that I never had to go through. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, I grew up in the '70s, right? Where Vietnam War was the big thing, gas shortages were a big thing. Yes. And now these kids are going through all this other stuff. At least I had parents and grew up in a time where you had to face stuff. These kids have never had to face it. And now they're having to face They haven't had to face COVID, right? How do we go get back community? They have black bear or they don't >> Well, that's the thing, you know, it's it's like I I told all my kids and I'm like, you know, I prepared you for a world that I was kind of that that that I could see was coming. A lot of this [ __ ] I couldn't see coming, so I I I wish that I had prepared you better for some of this, but [ __ ] it was all new to me, too. Spot on, man. Spot on cuz you know, one thing I talk about is how I was prepared is my my dad and my mom grew up in the depression. So, I already had that mindset. Well, that's the mindset I grew up with, right? And you're exactly right. I wasn't ready for having all the social media stuff going 15,000 hours an hour, right? So, [clears throat] so I think it's I think that's the biggest thing I worry about is my kids and the next generation. Yeah. Coming up hot, why high-performing men have the worst sex life featuring Brandon Bass, myself, and John Anderson coming up in a few moments. We're wrapping up with today's guest, Dave Sanderson, survivor of Flight 1549 over on the Hudson. Dave, I got I got I got maybe a big last question for you, if I may. Sure. After 16 years of telling your story, you've relived it on stage non-stop, relived it on shows like myself and Johnny non-stop. May- Maybe Maybe this is a good one, maybe it's not. Is there a part of January 15, 2009 that you have never still told anyone? Uh I just shared a little bit and you sort of shared a little bit in your intro about what was really going on the hospital. And what really doesn't get out a lot is yeah, they had to cut my underwear off and all that, but what I found out later, you know, when I went back to the hospital, we did an event for the hospital and thank thank them. And what I found out from the nurses, uh, nurse Bautista is my hero. She's my hero because she she's the one who stayed with me and took care of me. What I found out, there were a couple times >> [clears throat] >> during that during that episode that I almost I almost lost it. I was almost gone. Wow. I I did not know that cuz you know, you're just going through trying to figure out stuff, but I didn't know how close I was two two times. One in the triage center and one in the hospital that that could have gone a different direction. Really? Because you were so cold? Yeah, so cold. My body was so cold. Everything was shutting down. I They told me basically everything south of my heart was shutting down. My abs, everything. So, next stop up was what? My heart, my lungs. >> Yeah, you were you were one step away. And and Dave, I want to be tactical for a quick second if I may. And it's and I'm it's it's it's an obvious question to you, not to me. But is it because you guys were like so I know the plane was in the water. Was Were you You were standing waist-in-water for such a long time? Is that what it was, Dave? Yeah, I was in I was inside door you know, 10 10F. Yes. I was waist-deep in 36° water, correct. >> Yeah, for for how long was you guys there? I was in the I was in there 7 minutes. Everybody else was out except for the captain, of course. The captain was the last person out the plane. Wow. Johnny Colson comments free before we ask for some Colson comments from Dave. You know, I I just think that you the position you've taken on this is exactly what the world needs, brother. So, good [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank thank God I'm honored to be able to do it. And this I think right now the world is so much disruption going on the world right now with AI and everything else. I think what thing that we can do right now is, you know, leaders is get people certainty in an uncertain time. So, if I can give people certainty through my story and other things I've [clears throat] learned, we can do some good. And you, brother, you were you were prepped [clears throat] for this, you know, you were involved with the right people to put you in the right mindset to respond rather than to react and then carry this and show everyone I mean it was you could see everything aligned. You were see it was supposed to be you. Well, John, that's you hit you perfectly and going back to our Tony Robbins days, one of the things first things he teaches all of us is proximity is power. I would tell people put yourself around people who've actually done something. You know, instead of who actually have accomplished something cuz they can take you in a whole different direction. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing now with my new company and with our new brand. This is what you're doing right now in this show right here. You're trying to take people to a place where they may never have have thought to go. Get proximity to these people and watch what happens. Your life will take off. Today was a 30-minute lesson in leadership because it started with two letters if. And if you guys go back to the start of the conversation, as Dave was going through a situation with the plane was crashing, he wasn't calling people, he wasn't thinking about dying, he was asking if. And as a leader, guys, that's the biggest question you can ask yourself, if this, if that, because one of two things are >> change that. I want to change that two letters to four. Go with it. When. Oh, I like that too, Johnny. If when. Awesome. >> if is a question, when it's it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. Love that. Love that. >> Yeah, that's that's exactly right. That's the certainty you give yourself right there. It's like, it's going to happen, it's just I don't know when it's going to happen. Love that. Love that. What a great conversation. Dave, closing comments for you, brother. Uh promote your book, promote your promote your stuff. Give us something to hang out there for folks to connect with Dave Sanderson. >> Well, thank you. Yeah, I can just mention we just launched our new brand, our new company last week, Resilient Partners Group, because one of the things I've noticed in over the last 16 years is there's a lot there's a lack of people with resilience in the mindset when it comes to all these things hitting them. So, you know, I'm actually taking people now through my experience the the frameworks that I built over the last 16 years on how to be resilient, whether it's you're resilient with your time, resilient with your how you approach the the people in your life, how or your vision. So, this is where we're going right now. Check it out at resiliancepartnersgroup.com and we'd love to have a conversation with you. resiliancepartnersgroup.com. Dave Sanderson, Dave, I'm >> That's that's that. I mean, you you got a [ __ ] amazing story. Is that what all I mean, you if you want to [ __ ] plug more [ __ ] do it. This is the part of the show where you can shamelessly suck your own [ __ ] and nobody cares. >> [laughter] >> Well, I'll I'll leave you the other thing I'll leave you is this. John you will appreciate this based on that last comment which I won't repeat. Is is this. Is you know, one of the things that we talk about proximity is power. One of the things I'm trying to teach the next generations is how to do that. So, I'm doing that by what I call having my mentor dinners. And I learned this years ago from my first mentor Bill back in 1984. He did it. He did it locally in Charlotte. I'm doing it now all across North America. Good for you, Dave. >> a group of people and I'll show I'll take them to somebody like last last week we went and saw Chris Voss, the FBI negotiator right? Had dinner with him and I'll show them people how to get access to these kind of people, how and they get their minds and have build that proximity. So, check out my mentor dinner series. The next one Love it, brother. Now we're cooking. >> and we're excited about that. I love cooking. Very good [ __ ] brother. That's that's a cool [ __ ] thing right there. Yep. Just sitting across the table from somebody, right? That you can have a conversation you would never have access to. Yeah. >> Never ever have I I'll give I'll leave you with this one. One of the people we're working on for December which you guys WILL APPRECIATE >> DON'T TELL THEM IT'S ME. I HAVEN'T GOT there yet. >> Dave Emery, come on. He's sucking his own [ __ ] right now. You're not entering this equation. Come on. That's That's all right, Keys. Hey, let me one maybe next year we got we'll get to that get to that, but this gentleman right here has got more gold and platinum records in history. Oh. He's He's the drummer now for Sammy Hagar and his name's Kenny Aronoff. So, we're going to work on something with a a rock star in Hollywood so we can bring everybody together. How do you How do you become a rock star? How do you lead from the drums instead of being a front guy like Robert Plant? Nice. That's That's going to happen later this year. Awesome. In Los Angeles. Dee Snider, thanks for hanging out with us this morning. Full of gratitude. Let's grab a coffee sometime this week if we can. Let's do it, man. I love that. All right, brother. All right, guys.